Frequently Asked Questions

Thursday, September 19th, 2013

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RRGCC’s Frequently Asked Questions-

  • What is the RRGCC working on right now?
 As usual, the RRGCC has multiple items on its agenda. Rocktoberfest is coming up, and we are gearing up for the best fundraiser/party of the year! If you’d like to help, volunteer registration is open- feel free to sign up to join us!
We are also working at expanding parking for Flat Hollow. This takes precedence over other parking area projects because it will secure access to the largest number of climbs. The Sore Heel hill is no longer sustainable and will not be maintained going forward. As mentioned above, we are also working actively working with the oil companies to get the parking for MFRP established.  The RRGCC is also attempting to establish access at currently closed crags, such as Roadside and Oil Crack/Arena. This will take time and there are barriers to be overcome, but we will continue to work at it.
  •  What is the RRGCC’s stance on bolts?
 The RRGCC considers all apparently fixed gear (including, but not limited to, bolts, bolt hangers, quickdraws and anchors) abandoned gear. Use it at your own risk.
  • What do I do if I want to bolt a route on RRGCC land?
 You need to sign a waiver, located here .
  • What do if I want to build a trail on RRGCC land?
 First, it’s important to attend a Train the Trainer day, which will be held throughout the year. We use these days to teach those interested in trail development how to properly build a sustainable trail. We are working on  getting all trails, in both the PMRP and the MFRP, to the point that they make the least environmental impact as possible AND require as little maintenance as possible.
 Second, you need to contact us with a plan for where your trail will go and how it will be built (to do this, please drop a line, in the form of a haiku, to our Land Manger, Mike Driskell via the Report Bad Trails form . Once we approve it, you’re good to go!
  • Where is MF parking lot going to be?
On the road in to the Miller Fork Recreational Preserve area, there is a wide creek. The parking area will be just before this creek.
  • When will it be done?
As soon as possible. However, as with much of the land in eastern Kentucky, the mineral rights to our land were severed long ago. They are owned by a few oil companies- oil companies we do not have an established relationship with. We need their cooperation to construct a new parking lot, and coordinating that will take time. We’re working on it, and we hope to have it done by spring.
  • Is the Miller Fork Recreational Preserve Closed? 
 NO! Just like the PMRP, the MFRP will always be open! However, parking is limited at the moment so we ask that you be flexible with your climbing plans. If you see there are no remaining parking spots that would not          block the road and/or oil equipment, please consider moving on to another area. Just as on the PMRP, climbers and developers must have a signed liability waiver   to recreate on the MFRP.
  • What about the mountain biking trails?
The PMRP is dedicated to human-powered recreation. This is not limited to climbing. So, a few years ago the RRGCC started work on mountain biking trails. These trails are open, though at the moment there is only a one-mile loop that is completed. All other trails would be out-and-back rides. To find the trails, follow the directions to Throwback Crag ( found here). You are free to park at the Flat Hollow parking area, but please be aware that this parking area is not completed and there may be stumps or other obstructions that could harm your vehicle.
  • Why doesn’t the RRGCC log the PMRP and/or MFRP to make money?
The idea of selectively logging specific parts of the PMRP was discussed several years ago. Logging the PMRP was not pursued for several reasons. Most of the PMRP had been logged at some point prior to the purchase by the RRGCC. Thus, the amount of mature wood is limited. If we were to log the PMRP, selectively or not, the amount of money that would generate is surprisingly low relative to the impact it would have on the land. There are some talented logging companies in the area that do a great job of minimizing their presence, etc. But at the end of the day, their impact on the land far surpasses what most of us would consider acceptable for our beloved PMRP.

Concerning the MFRP, the timber rights to the property were a point of negotiation for the purchase. There is more mature wood on the MFRP, and far less presence of oil infrastructure.
 Because of the aesthetics of the property, the disruption of roads and trails, and complete closure of the MFRP during logging, we felt that is was in the best interest of the climbing community that the RRGCC maintain the timber rights to the property. For those reasons, we have no intention of logging selectively or otherwise in the MFRP
  • How much do BOD members make?
  Well, occasionally someone buys them a beer…Seriously though, the RRGCC is in all-volunteer organization. The BOD members donate their time to help secure the climbing areas they (and you!) love.

RRGCC Applies for Access Fund Grant

Monday, March 11th, 2013

rrg cragThe RRGCC has been working hard on your behalf to secure more climbing. At this time we need the help of all Access Fund members.

We have located a piece of property that is 309 acres and has the potential for over 250 new routes. We are still negotiating the cost and terms of the agreement. Since the deal has not been signed, we are not releasing more information at the request of the seller. We hope to have everything finalized soon.

This is where we need your help. Access Fund members will have received an email asking to approve grant proposals. The RRGCC has applied to the AF for a grant to help with the cost of the purchase. Please open the link and click on the RRGCC’s grant request as a 5 (high priority).

We certainly understand that everyone would like more information about this deal, but please be respectful that these negotiations are fragile and we certainly do not want to lose this opportunity. We will provide more information as soon as we are authorized to release it.

Thank you for your support!

Your BOD

Updated: RRG Geologic Area Re-Opens after bear attack

Friday, July 2nd, 2010

The RRG is open again!

Just in time for the weekend, that troublesome bear has moved on past the gorge and the kind folks at the USFS have issued an order to reopen the area.

But please do pack your food properly. Access to food is the primary reason bears get interested in people in the first place. When Yogi can venture into any ol’ spot and snag a picnic basket, it makes that spot pretty appealing and almost always leads to uncomfortable encounters.

So, for the Fourth, we want you to go have fun, roll around in the mud, catch some butterflies, and otherwise be happy and jolly! If you get bored, here are a few things that would help out:

Read on past the break for the full USFS press release.


Roadside Trail Day

Monday, April 5th, 2010

Roadside Crag is one of the Red River Gorge’s most popular crags. Minutes from the parking off a major roadway and hosting wide range of climbs, Roadside attracts dozens of climbers of all abilities every weekend.  Roadside is located on the Graining Fork Nature Preserve, land that is owned by climber-friendly Grants Stevens and Jon Haight.  Over the years, though, Roadside’s popularity has contributed to increased wear and tear on the approach trail, especially near the steep trail-head. The increased foot traffic led to obvious problems with drainage and erosion.

On Saturday, April 3, 2010 Mike Driskell of Driskell Home Repair in Louisville organized a second trail day at Roadside Crag to try to address those problems. Thirteen people came to put the sweat of their brow into helping remove litter, trim tree branches, widen the trail-head, and improve drainage along the beginning of the trail.  They refueled with some Miguel’s for lunch, provided by Driskell Home Repair, and stuffed their packs with some RRGCC schwag.  After working on the trail-head, Driskell and company moved to the area near Roadside Attraction, a classic and popular trad climb, where the trail went straight up a series of rock steps.  The poor drainage and steep incline led to severe erosion in this area.  Now, after plenty of volunteer effort, the trail now accesses this area via a switchback that should mitigate the impacts near Roadside Attraction.

Mike hopes to return complete the new section of the trail on the next Roadside Trail Day, possibly in the spring of 2011.  Additional projects also include working to stabilize the erosion around the base of the slab routes to the far-right of the cliff line.

Thank you to the volunteers that helped: John Grider, Malcolm Akindana, Randy Tebbs, Carrie Kirkpatrick, Dave Jasperson, JR Goodwin, Mark Rohr, Robert Keith Todd, Bryan Spencer, Josephine Neff, Derrick Powell, and Mike Driskell.

If you were not able to participate in this event, please mark your calendar for Johnny & Alex Trail Day (check out last year’s JATD), which will be held on August 14th, and stay tuned for more! Or, if you want to throw yourself at a project all your own, tell us about it and we’ll support you!

Gate at Solar Collector

Monday, March 22nd, 2010

Someone installed a gate along the trail to Solar Collector!!!  What the…? This past Saturday the RRGCC installed a gate along the trail to the Solar Collector.

After it's all said and done, the crew enjoys their labors

After it's all said and done, the crew enjoys their labors

So what’s the deal?

Is the Solar Collector, Dark Side, or Crossroads closed?  Will they be closed?  No, as long as climbers continue to pay the mortgage, access is preserved.

Many climbers who visit the PMRP don’t realize that the RRGCC has to pay a mortgage of $30,000 every year to keep the crags open.  In years past the RRGCC has installed kiosks but often climbers walk by without reading the information.  The gate was installed to remind (like a kiosk) our visitors that climbing on the PMRP is protected by the ongoing donations of climbers.  A sign will soon be installed soon to encourage donations at  The gate will not be locked and climber funds were not used to purchase materials for this gate.
The Managers, Mike Driskell and JR Goodwin

The Managers, Mike Driskell and JR Goodwin

The RRGCC requested Mike Driskell and JR Goodwin to develop and install the gate.   Mike and JR thought about gate designs and then put out the word, requesting volunteers for a mini trail day. Saturday, a group of about 10 motivated climbers gave up a couple of hours of PRIME climbing time to install the sign.
A metal gate, two four by fours, a post hole digger, a rock bar, Mark Jackson’s drill, and a little bit of elbow grease made for a good time.  Mark even whipped out the chain saw. In the future, other gates may be installed along the trails to the crags on the PMRP.  When you open the gate, please consider the satisfaction that you get from your sport and consider donating at to preserve access.
Thank you to all the volunteers, including Mike, JR and Mark.  Good Job!!!

JATD 2009, a quick bit

Monday, August 3rd, 2009

Thanks to Wes Allen for the video..  a more detailed wrap-up to come..

JATD 09 from Wes Allen on Vimeo.

Torrent Falls Access

Wednesday, July 16th, 2008

From a post on

The tentative date for the reopening of Torrent Falls to public access is set for July 31st. Access will be granted, free of charge (per KRS 411.190), to those who sign a waiver and register on the web site provided ( The number of parties (and cars … car-pool!) will be limited to three, with a recommended maximum group size of three, and access will only be open on Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays. On-line registration will begin at 6am of each day and will only be valid for the day of registration; the entrance gate for Torrent will operate from 8 am until 8pm with the code provided and will remain locked at all other times, please plan your day accordingly. Each vehicle will be required to display a valid parking pass obtained with the on-line registration, those that do not will be towed or immobilized.

…I ask that any who have issue with this post… contact me at “mathenybob at aol dot com”.


For more on the history of access at Torrent Falls, see this post. Please remember – climb responsibly.

Muir Valley Re-Opened

Saturday, June 7th, 2008

As posted by Liz Weber, owner of Muir Valley, on

Road work is completed to the point that traffic can again get back to Muir.

Please drive slowly and carefully. The shoulders are very soft at this stage.We are still grading and clearing trees and brush alongside the road.

Thanks for your patience and understanding during this closure.

Rick worked hard to bring this in ahead of schedule.

For more information about Muir Valley, visit the Friends of Muir Valley and

Muir Valley Temporarily Closed

Friday, May 30th, 2008

As posted by Rick Weber, owner of Muir Valley, on

Last weekend made it clear that the approach road to Muir Valley needs to be rebuilt from scratch to keep careful drivers (the majority) from being terrorized by reckless [people]. The neighbors, and many of our visitors are justifiably angry. The neighbor to the south, a few weeks ago, while riding his horse, was struck by a speeding car catapulting over one of the blind hills. Fortunately it was a glancing blow with only minor injury.

Out of concern for our visitors’ and neighbors’ safety, we have no choice but to close the road Friday morning, May 30, 2008 and bring in heavy excavation equipment to do a major rebuild. Muir Valley will be closed indefinitely until construction is finished. The two blind hills will be removed, the road will be re-shaped and crowned, culverts will be installed and ditches dug.

Weather conditions and other concerns with utilities may postpone this work, but at this moment it is a “go.” We will post an update here if anything changes.

During construction, Muir Valley developers and others with vehicle permits may use the north entrance at Rogers to gain access to the maintenance/emergency road along the Valley floor. If you do not have an up-to-date permit and a 4-wheel drive vehicle, do NOT use this entrance. You will be towed. Jim Taylor’s AMGA training will proceed as scheduled.

Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.


For more information about Muir Valley, visit the Friends of Muir Valley and

Johnny and Alex Trail Day

Wednesday, April 23rd, 2008

Come one, come all to the 4th annual John Bronaugh and Alex Yeakley Trail Day, August 2th, 2008. Like in years past we will be depending on the Red River Gorge climbing community to come out and take care of the land you own, the Pendergrass-Murray Recreational Preserve, in honor of two great men of the Red. We will be building and maintaining trails and, after a hard day’s work, having a great party with music and “beverages”. More details will come so be sure to stay tuned – consider using our RSS feed. So plan on bringing your tools and friends (these might be one in the same).. we’ve got a lot of dirt to move and payments to make.