Frequently Asked Questions

Thursday, September 19th, 2013

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RRGCC’s Frequently Asked Questions-

  • What is the RRGCC working on right now?
 As usual, the RRGCC has multiple items on its agenda. Rocktoberfest is coming up, and we are gearing up for the best fundraiser/party of the year! If you’d like to help, volunteer registration is open- feel free to sign up to join us!
We are also working at expanding parking for Flat Hollow. This takes precedence over other parking area projects because it will secure access to the largest number of climbs. The Sore Heel hill is no longer sustainable and will not be maintained going forward. As mentioned above, we are also working actively working with the oil companies to get the parking for MFRP established.  The RRGCC is also attempting to establish access at currently closed crags, such as Roadside and Oil Crack/Arena. This will take time and there are barriers to be overcome, but we will continue to work at it.
  •  What is the RRGCC’s stance on bolts?
 The RRGCC considers all apparently fixed gear (including, but not limited to, bolts, bolt hangers, quickdraws and anchors) abandoned gear. Use it at your own risk.
  • What do I do if I want to bolt a route on RRGCC land?
 You need to sign a waiver, located here .
  • What do if I want to build a trail on RRGCC land?
 First, it’s important to attend a Train the Trainer day, which will be held throughout the year. We use these days to teach those interested in trail development how to properly build a sustainable trail. We are working on  getting all trails, in both the PMRP and the MFRP, to the point that they make the least environmental impact as possible AND require as little maintenance as possible.
 Second, you need to contact us with a plan for where your trail will go and how it will be built (to do this, please drop a line, in the form of a haiku, to our Land Manger, Mike Driskell via the Report Bad Trails form . Once we approve it, you’re good to go!
  • Where is MF parking lot going to be?
On the road in to the Miller Fork Recreational Preserve area, there is a wide creek. The parking area will be just before this creek.
  • When will it be done?
As soon as possible. However, as with much of the land in eastern Kentucky, the mineral rights to our land were severed long ago. They are owned by a few oil companies- oil companies we do not have an established relationship with. We need their cooperation to construct a new parking lot, and coordinating that will take time. We’re working on it, and we hope to have it done by spring.
  • Is the Miller Fork Recreational Preserve Closed? 
 NO! Just like the PMRP, the MFRP will always be open! However, parking is limited at the moment so we ask that you be flexible with your climbing plans. If you see there are no remaining parking spots that would not          block the road and/or oil equipment, please consider moving on to another area. Just as on the PMRP, climbers and developers must have a signed liability waiver   to recreate on the MFRP.
  • What about the mountain biking trails?
The PMRP is dedicated to human-powered recreation. This is not limited to climbing. So, a few years ago the RRGCC started work on mountain biking trails. These trails are open, though at the moment there is only a one-mile loop that is completed. All other trails would be out-and-back rides. To find the trails, follow the directions to Throwback Crag ( found here). You are free to park at the Flat Hollow parking area, but please be aware that this parking area is not completed and there may be stumps or other obstructions that could harm your vehicle.
  • Why doesn’t the RRGCC log the PMRP and/or MFRP to make money?
The idea of selectively logging specific parts of the PMRP was discussed several years ago. Logging the PMRP was not pursued for several reasons. Most of the PMRP had been logged at some point prior to the purchase by the RRGCC. Thus, the amount of mature wood is limited. If we were to log the PMRP, selectively or not, the amount of money that would generate is surprisingly low relative to the impact it would have on the land. There are some talented logging companies in the area that do a great job of minimizing their presence, etc. But at the end of the day, their impact on the land far surpasses what most of us would consider acceptable for our beloved PMRP.

Concerning the MFRP, the timber rights to the property were a point of negotiation for the purchase. There is more mature wood on the MFRP, and far less presence of oil infrastructure.
 Because of the aesthetics of the property, the disruption of roads and trails, and complete closure of the MFRP during logging, we felt that is was in the best interest of the climbing community that the RRGCC maintain the timber rights to the property. For those reasons, we have no intention of logging selectively or otherwise in the MFRP
  • How much do BOD members make?
  Well, occasionally someone buys them a beer…Seriously though, the RRGCC is in all-volunteer organization. The BOD members donate their time to help secure the climbing areas they (and you!) love.

Coal Bank Road Repair Update

Friday, June 7th, 2013

What we did:

Coal Bank RoadOver the past two days we finished the first stage of repairs to Coal Bank Road (leading to the Solar Collector, Darkside, Far Side, and Crossroads Crags). Mike Driskell has worked patiently with the oil company and as a result, the RRGCC and ANGi have come to an agreement: ANGi will supply the machinery and labor for road maintenance and the RRGCC will supply the gravel and materials.

The dozer operator began by removing all the large stones throughout the road. He graded the road from the turn off to the parking lot and cut a shoulder into the road to keep brush back. He added drainage along the side of the road and installed a 15-inch by 30-foot culvert midway up the hill to minimize water damage to the road. He cleared brush in the parking lot, filled in the mud hole, and created drainage so it would not fill with water again. He also created drainage off the hill so that water would no longer flow from the top of Far Side down the oil road, and cut a trench in the parking area. We then called a local gravel company to deliver 4 loads of gravel and graveled the road from the turn off up to (but not including) the parking lot.

By working patiently with ANGi, Mike Driskell arranged for them to provide the dozer and operator at no cost to the RRGCC and resulted in saving thousands of dollars.  The RRGCC supplied the materials at a cost of $2300.

Next Steps:

Coal Bank RoadAfter the gravel settles and compacts, we will order 2 more loads of dense grade gravel for the hill. This gravel is the fine gravel they have used on the Bald Rock Hill (Motherlode Hill) and is what has helped keep that road in such good shape. This should take one day and we hope to have it completed at the end of June or beginning of July.  The anticipated cost is between $1000 and $1400.

We are also considering options for graveling the parking lot. Ideally, we would like to have the budget to complete both the new parking lot at Flat Holler and gravel this parking lot as well. We will be assessing budget issues over the next two months to determine what is feasible on the current donations.  The anticipated cost is TBD.

What you can do to help:

First and foremost, the biggest help will be for you to drive slowly and steadily on the entire length of road. Frequent changes in speed and sudden breaking cause ruts in the road, which are difficult to fix. If you have a 4WD vehicle, consider not driving in the same tire tracks as everyone else to help prevent ruts.

If you have a 2WD vehicle and you find that when you drive on gravel hills your tires frequently spin, consider parking on the side of the road at the top of the very first hill until we are able to add the additional gravel at the end of the month. There is a section that was widened for this purpose. Please make sure your vehicle is completely off the road and that trucks can make the turn from the side road to go down to Fixer Road. You may also consider putting your car into first gear and driving very slowly and steadily to prevent your wheels from spinning.

The second thing you can do to help is set up a recurring donation of $10, $15, or $20 (or more!) each month. To do so, please visit our donation page. Recurring donations help us with maintenance costs since we know the exact amount of money to expect at any given time. This allows for planning of projects such as road repair and parking lot construction. We value all donations and also welcome one-time donations.  A fun way to donate this week is to visit West Sixth Brewing on Saturday, June 8 for their fundraiser for the RRGCC!

The third thing you can do to help is to keep being a good neighbor for ANGi oil since they are helping the RRGCC save thousands of dollars on maintenance costs.  Next time you see a climber praking in front of oil wells, say “Thank you ANGi” by asking the climbers to find another parking spot.

Thank you for supporting the RRGCC.

Announcement at Miguel’s June 1 at 8pm

Tuesday, May 21st, 2013

The RRGCC cordially invites everyone to Miguel’s Pizza at the Red for a very special announcement.

Date: Saturday, June 1st
Time: 8:00 pm

We would like to share some information with the community. We want to discuss with the community the past, present, and future activities of the Coalition. It is going to be an informal gathering… a little lighthearted story telling, then a slide show, then an announcement that might be interesting.

Everyone is welcome, and you won’t need to bring anything but high spirits and optimism.

Muir Valley Response to Climbing Accident Training

Wednesday, April 24th, 2013

From Rick and Liz Weber, owners of Muir Valley:

On Saturday, May 11, 2013, from 9 AM to 12 noon, a free training exercise will be conducted at Muir Valley on how to respond to a climbing accident. Although these exercises are routinely conducted for members of the Muir Valley Rescue Group, we have decided to open up this training for those outside the Muir Group — especially to those who regularly climb in areas where the official emergency response services are iffy.

We will be meeting at the Shelter House at the Muir Valley main parking lot at 9 AM sharp. If you wish to attend, please try to show up a few minutes early, as we will be leaving shortly after meeting to conduct the training scenario at the Bone Yard Wall. This will be a realistic scenario with a fallen climber.

Bring a helmet if you have one. If not, one will be furnished to you.

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Help Climbing Access at Shenandoah National Park

Wednesday, January 9th, 2013


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The Access Fund and Shenandoah National Park need you to help promote their climbing management plan (read more about “ROMP” here).

Please take a moment to comment on the document.

If you don’t know exactly what to say, the 3 bullet points in the action alert and the sentence before them make a good template:



The Access Fund, Mid-Atlantic Climbers, and New River Alliance of Climbers reviewed the ROMP and are in support of the management direction in Alternative B, subject to a few concerns outlined below.

  • Rock outcrops compose only 2% (3,920 acres) of the SHEN’s entire 197,438 acres. It is important to emphasize that other activities, such as hiking, camping, and vista enjoyment draw far more people and cause far more impacts than climbers. As stated in the ROMP, Old Rag is visited by an estimated 50,000 people annually, but the number of climber use-days for all of SHEN is estimated at only 500.
  • While the ROMP provides general information about the impacts causing concern, more information should be provided about the specific impacts at each rock outcrop where restrictions are in place or being considered. For instance, climbing at Hawksbill is prohibited, but the concerns leading to the climbing ban are not fully explained. More detailed information should be provided to further explain the need for restrictions.
  • Because climbers make up only a small percentage of rock outcrops users, the Park should consider if some climbing access can be allowed (even if other user groups are restricted or otherwise more directly managed) before restricting access to specific rock outcrops (especially those on the “watch list”). Park planners should consider ways to protect the natural resources without prohibiting access to climbers completely.

Self Rescue Clinic 2012

Thursday, August 30th, 2012

There will be a Self Rescue Clinic held on FRIDAY, October 5 at Red River Gorge. While this is not an RRGCC or Rocktoberfest event, I’m hoping that the timing is good and those that would like to attend can.

The clinic is $45/person and runs from 9:30 – 3:30 on the 5th. It will be taught by Karsten Delap. If you’ve never met him, he’s pretty awesome. Very good at teaching, tons of experience, and some pretty great stories too.

To sign up, call 1-888-28-GUIDE or visit foxmountainguides.com to sign up for the Rock Rescue Course to Benefit the RRGCC. The course is capped at 8 people, so if you’re interested SIGN UP NOW! (As in, stop what you’re doing, pick up the phone or click the website, right now. :) )

If you miss him, he will be giving a second clinic on Sunday during the Rocktoberfest clinics. This will be the “Quick Fix Techniques” Clinic – it’s not a self rescue clinic, but more about using techniques to deal with those annoying problems that crop up from time to time when rock climbing.

JATD 2012 Registration

Monday, June 18th, 2012

This year’s Johnny and Alex Trail Day isn’t far away! Register now to help us get a head count for Saturday, August 11th.


The event starts at Lago Linda Hideaway at 8:00am. The trail work will wrap up around 3:00pm, and the fun will continue throughout the evening and night back at Lago Linda’s with  food, music, beer, frisbee, volleyball, water slides, swimming, general shenanigans, an instant collector’s item (our event t-shirt), and The 23 String Band!


Please wear pants and close-toed shoes for the trail work – it’s summertime in the Red, which means you should beware of poison ivy and snakes.


There is no cost to party this year, but we hope you’ll make at least a small donation to help us cover the cost of t-shirts, food, and entertainment. :)


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Dan Lubbers’ Photography Raises Money for the Coalition

Tuesday, May 8th, 2012

On Friday, February 10 photographer Dan Lubbers hosted an art show to display his photography and raise money for the RRGCC. The show was hosted by Highland Coffee in Louisville, KY and featured photos from Lubbers’ recent visit to Hawaii, with a few climbing shots thrown in for good measure.
Guests were invited to enter a raffle to win a print of one of Lubbers’ photographs, with the proceeds going directly to the RRGCC. By the end of the night, $95 had been raised and was donated to the RRGCC to further their mission of preserving and promoting responsible climbing. Lubbers’ photos will be on display at Highland Coffee through the end of February, and there is a donation box where admirers can give to the RRGCC. Lubbers’ work is also featured on his website.

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Rocktoberfest 2011 Climbing Clinics

Thursday, October 6th, 2011

We have some great clinics, and most of them still have openings available!

Burl Like A Girl is a beginning clinic on climbing powerfully from a woman’s perspective. It’s taught by Regan Kenedy.

Elite Climbing is an advanced clinic on pushing it to the next level for the 5.11, 5.12 or 5.13 climber. It’s taught by Cedar Wright. To get the most out of this clinic, you should be comfortable climbing 5.11’s.

Sport and Redpointing is an intermediate level class geared for the 5.8, 5.9, 5.10 climber looking to learn to work projects and get stronger. Taught by Alli Rainey and Kevin Wilkinson.

Multipitch Efficiency is a beginning/intermediate clinic for climbers looking to spend more time climbing and less time transitioning at anchors. It’s taught by Brittany Griffith

Intro to Trad is a beginning clinic designed for the beginning trad climber. It’s taught by Shingo Ohkawa.

Footwork and Technique is a beginning/intermediate clinic for those who struggle with footwork. It’s taught by Margarita Martinez and Rene Keyzer-Andre (our very own Tutugirl!)

We also have 2 mini-clinics on photography: DSLR 101 and Off Camera Lighting 101 – these are 3-hour clinics taught by professional photographer Wes Allen.

Unfortunately, the Warriors Way clinic is sold out.

If you are interested in any of our clinics you may sign up at the registration desk at Rocktoberfest. Online Registration is now closed.

If you are looking to avoid climbing where clinics are being held, please avoid:
The Gallery, The Shire, The Playground, Global Village